Some people call these the same thing, and other people have different names for them — and it can depend on where you live!
That's just one of the cool things you'll learn this week from my chat with Joan Houston Hall, former editor of the Dictionary of American Regional English (often called DARE).
WATCH: https://youtu.be/F6dYztdHnG8?si=fbziIA7D-tXJBrwQ
READ: https://grammar-girl.simplecast.com/episodes/1165/transcript
LISTEN: https://pod.link/173429229
(I call them both a spatula.)